What If The Mid-Engine Cadillac Costs $170,000?

"Censored" (chrisbrown2992) 11/08/2018 at 11:07 • Filed to: None

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Fixed that headline. Who’s with me? I know this has been kicked and discussed earlier, but this thing is a caddy right?

We’ve even seen the keys.

And yet still we think that GM would completely abandon the mass market vette. Here are sales from the last few years.

2017, at 25,000 units averaging (guessing) $65,000 ea is a crap ton of money. $1.63B to be exact. There is absolutely no way that GM is going to let this money run. In my mind, there will absolutely have to be a vette that slots into this market. I don’t see a place where a mid engine GM car can retail less than $125k, I also don’t see a world where 25000 people/yr can shell out $100k+ for their mid life crisis.

The only other thing would be to break Corvette off as a brand, a la Ram.

For Sweden > Censored 11/08/2018 at 11:25

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FINALLY someone accurately describes this car

farscythe - makin da cawfee! > Censored 11/08/2018 at 11:30

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pretty sure its a lambo

shop-teacher > Censored 11/08/2018 at 11:31

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I suspect it will be both a Cadillac and a Corvette.

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > Censored 11/08/2018 at 11:31

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They’d be insane to mess with the Corvette and I think they know that. Just like Porsche would never move the 911 engine to the front.

Plus, if you think about it, “mid-engine Corvette” is actually the perfect rumor to hide something in plain sight (I mean, the mules gotta go out in public sometimes) since people have been yapping about one for most of the Corvette’s history.

merged-5876237249235911857-hrw8uc > Censored 11/08/2018 at 11:34

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I could see it being a limited run vehicle, similar to the Ford GT, both runs.  Cadillac has enough cred now with the V series that I think they could pull it off as a caddy and leave the corvette as is with its Current layout.  

3point8isgreat > Censored 11/08/2018 at 11:36

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I agree that it’d make more sense as a Cadillac. But I just got sort of sad thinking that they’d probably want to use it for GTLM racing, and it’d replace Corvette Racing. I n name only really of course . I’m sure it’d still be the same Pratt & Miller team behind it. But it would be a weird change for about a year.

winterlegacy, here 'till the end > Censored 11/08/2018 at 11:37

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All they just need to do is call it the Cien...

BeaterGT > Censored 11/08/2018 at 11:45

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I just enjoy all the speculation and excitement this car/mule brings to the table.

Remember when it was the Ute mule? How cool was that?!

So Shiney. So Chrome! So Frunky > Censored 11/08/2018 at 11:53

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I have a few friends that work for GM and when I mention all the rumors about this thing being a Caddy, especially since it’s supposed to use that twin turbo V8 and GM stated it would be a Cadillac only engine, they don’t deny it. They just look shifty and tell me to shut up.

So, yeah, I think you’re spot on.

sm70- why not Duesenberg? > Censored 11/08/2018 at 12:00

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I have no clue but I’d love for it to be a Caddy.

Chariotoflove > Censored 11/08/2018 at 12:07

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I just can’t see why  this would be a Corvette, and certainly not the Corvette. And Corvette has to stay a Chevy. That’s part of its identity.

RX > Censored 11/08/2018 at 12:26

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I was on the Cadillac theory when they hired the Audi exec responsible for the R8, but then they canned him earlier this year, so I’m no lon ger sure.

Danimalk - Drives a Slow Car Fast > Censored 11/08/2018 at 12:30

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The leaked styling is ALL Corvette.

But I agree they they should leave the sub $100k Corvette as is, and ADD the mid-e ng in ed one at a new, higher price point.

Maybe a Cadillac variant comes along someday, but I’m guessing this platform will debut all Chevrolet.

My bird IS the word > Censored 11/08/2018 at 12:37

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I think you are on to something.

Tapas > Censored 11/08/2018 at 13:02

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This will be their Ford GT competitor.

Bman76 (hates WS6 hoods, is on his phone and has 4 burners now) > BeaterGT 11/08/2018 at 13:03

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Gib

Bman76 (hates WS6 hoods, is on his phone and has 4 burners now) > Censored 11/08/2018 at 13:05

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Corvette by Cadillac

ala Chrysler TC by Maserati (I’m just making shit up here. W on’t happen. )

This should either be a Cadillac or they’re gonna spin off Corvette as a brand.

Censored > shop-teacher 11/08/2018 at 13:06

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I disagree, if it IS a caddy, a Chevy variant would drastically cut into the exclusivity.

Censored > Danimalk - Drives a Slow Car Fast 11/08/2018 at 13:08

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Styling is all camo though. This is going to be an unprecedented car, thus the budget to hide it would be endless.

Censored > Bman76 (hates WS6 hoods, is on his phone and has 4 burners now) 11/08/2018 at 13:14

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Agreed, just hope it's not the latter.

Danimalk - Drives a Slow Car Fast > Censored 11/08/2018 at 13:22

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I’m not so sure it’s all camo. I mean the wrap is, but the most of the bodywork is exposed in that lead pic you chose. I hoped it was a Cadillac too, but am feeling less and less confident it is. 

Danimalk - Drives a Slow Car Fast > Censored 11/08/2018 at 13:25

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I think t he se are the most accurate renderings so far:

BeaterGT > Tapas 11/08/2018 at 13:41

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I mean, Ford did build the GT as a homologation special to win Le Mans. Maybe this is Chevy’s response?  I like the Corvette as it is, punching above its weight.

shop-teacher > Censored 11/08/2018 at 13:55

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Cadillac is not an exclusive brand.  I love Cadillacs, but that era is long dead and gone.

shop-teacher > BeaterGT 11/08/2018 at 13:57

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That was the coolest thing ever.

shop-teacher > farscythe - makin da cawfee! 11/08/2018 at 13:58

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GADAMN IT!

Take your friggen star!

Censored > Danimalk - Drives a Slow Car Fast 11/08/2018 at 14:37

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Renderings, meaning someone photoshopped off the camo or is guessing. These aren't from Chevy. What would stop Chevy from having 1 off bodywork made up for the muels? Wouldn't have to have great fit and finish cause a camo wrap is going on or it. Ford hid the gt40 completely, why can't go hide a caddy in plain sight.

Censored > shop-teacher 11/08/2018 at 14:38

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Its where they want to be though, and what better way to make that statement clear.

Danimalk - Drives a Slow Car Fast > Censored 11/08/2018 at 15:01

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“What would stop Chevy from having 1 off bodywork made up for the muels?”

We have seen many, many mules all with identical bodies. These are not 1 off body panels. There is almost no body cladding camo on the latest images of the prototypes you are using. That is the bodywork just with a busy wrap. Why would they do high-speed performance testing with the clunky body work camo? Plus we already saw that version. This one is noticeably slimmer since it’s all gone.

Another giveaway is the race team. “ Corvette Racing” has won more than half the championships it’s competed in over the last 20 years. That race team with the yellow cars is not going anywhere.

Sure, it’s all speculation, but I’d bet $100 this is a Corvette and these renderings are what it will look like.

The bigger question no one is asking is that IF this is indeed an additional model to the current front engine car, then where is the prototype for the NEXT front engine car? Is the current C7 just going to stay the same while they overlap?

I’m a huge Corvette fan, so I say the more the better, but am honestly a little worried it will be too predictable to standout. A manual would do it. A super low price would do it. Neither is expected though.

One way they can make a huge splash is that this is the one and only C8 and will (somehow) maintain the current, front-engine cars pricing and extend it up to $175k. Maybe the “base” car keeps the LT1 to keep cost down, and the two twin turbo V8s are for the $100k+ variants? It will be fun to watch.

AfromanGTO > Censored 11/08/2018 at 15:05

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I’ve been saying it’s going to be a Caddy for a while now. I am glad more people are in agreement.

Censored > Danimalk - Drives a Slow Car Fast 11/08/2018 at 15:21

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Put your foil hat on with me now please. I’m saying, you could do all kinds of visible testing and what such with bodywork that isn’t final to throw off the scent. Ford literally built the gt40 in the dark and it seems to have worked out ok with just wind tunnel. Nothing at a track is necessary or can’t be replicated on a Dyno/wind tunnel.

I did question that very thing up there, breaking Corvette off as a brand and having a front and mid layout vehicle. As for a front engine c8, see above paragraph, there's no reason for it to be in the public unless they want it in the public.

There’s no chance a mid engine car can maintain a 60k price point.

Ssfancyfresh > Censored 11/08/2018 at 15:27

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Danimalk - Drives a Slow Car Fast > Censored 11/08/2018 at 15:39

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That would be awesome. I even loosely theorized that we have seen the prototype front engine C8 testing along side the mid engine one at the time, but it was wearing C7 ZR1 bodywork at the time. But who knows!

I guess I can’t think of a single time GM has surprised us like that before. We have always known what they are up to in the past. So, the tin foil is very thick on that one, but I would love to be proved wrong on this.

The Cayman/Boxster are in that price range, and Chevy sells more Vettes (in the US) so they could get the money back on volume. Plus the $150k+variants may help cover the profit on the $60k-$70k models? Probably unlikely, but it would make a very bold, hard to ignore statement in that part of the performance car segment.

Censored > Ssfancyfresh 11/08/2018 at 15:46

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Ewww though.

Ssfancyfresh > Censored 11/08/2018 at 15:53

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I mean, the other thing to look at is the Camaro. Camaro has reached a performance and price level to challenge the C orvette. Corvette can only move upmarket to escape competition from it’s own brand .

A $170k Corvette doesn’t bother me from a volume standpoint. The Camaro exists as a catchall. Make the Corvette more exclusive. Send it. Make it compete at the highest levels.  Why not?

shop-teacher > Censored 11/08/2018 at 16:06

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It may be what they want, but they’ve shown zero ability to make that actually happen.

Censored > shop-teacher 11/08/2018 at 18:03

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No time like the present to change that.

shop-teacher > Censored 11/08/2018 at 21:15

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I'd love it if they did, but I don't see that happening.

FatherMcKenzie > Censored 11/09/2018 at 08:10

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My stance on this has always been the same as yours, with a small caveat. I say that anyone with two brain cells to rub together could see that making this vehicle a Caddy is a brilliant move since the Corvette is such a big seller, and getting rid of the FR Corvette is terrible for business (not to mention the lady in charge is very into profitability, she axed Europe from GMs plans, ffs!) BUT! GM has a terrible track record when it comes to smart business decisions, so they’re probably going to go ahead and do the opposite of what makes sense.